There's a real concern among today's mums and dads that the essential life skills they were taught as children aren't being passed on to their own kids. It's especially justified when it comes to cooking. With home economics no longer a compulsory part of the school curriculum, it's up to parents to teach their kids to cook and bake. With this in mind, kid's food expert Annabel Karmel is hosting an exclusive webchat, packed with simple recipe ideas and tasty tips designed to encourage parents to get creative with their kids in the kitchen and have loads of fun while they're at it.

Teaching children to cook both encourages them to eat well and equips them with one of the key skills they'll need when they grow up. Seeing the fruits of their labours emerging from the oven gives kids a real sense of achievement, and it hardly needs saying that that the messier the ingredients that go into their culinary masterpieces are, the more they like it. Baking is especially good fun, and that's why Annabel's chosen to share scrumptious baking recipes with you that are a piece of cake for kids to make. She'll also be telling you about The Kellogg's Big Bake, a new campaign that aims to get children cooking up a storm all over the country with the ultimate prize of appearing in a Kellogg's TV advert in May. Log on to the chat and get ready to join in the yumminess with your young 'uns.

Annabel Karmel joins us live online to discuss how to get your kids baking.

For more information visit www.thebigbake.co.uk

H: Host, Lis Speight
A: Annabel Karmel

H: Hello and welcome to the Parenting Show, I'm Lis Speight. Now then are you concerned that the essential life skills you were taught as children aren't being passed on to your own offspring? In particular with home economics no longer a compulsory part of the school curriculum, it's up to you to teach your children to cook and bake. Well I'm delighted to say that I'm joined today by kid's food expert Annabel Karmel, lovely to see you Annabel.

A: Thank you.

H: Thanks very much for coming in. So for the uninitiated, Annabel is a food guru, she's an absolute expert in getting your children to eat healthily and she's written lots of books on the subject with lots of recipes as well. So Annabel, why is it so important to get children involved in the kitchen?

A: Well I think that when you get kids cooking they're learning so many things, it's not just about the food. They're learning about maths – so understanding time, measuring, weighing, you can talk to them about geography, where things come from.

H: Yes.

A: And you're teaching them a life skill. I mean my son is now at university and he's like the only bloke who can cook there, and they all stay in.

H: I bet he's very popular with the girls!

A: He's really popular, he cooks for his girl – in fact they both cook together. I've kind of come into my own now when he says "mummy, what recipe shall we make tonight" so I print out a recipe and give it to him and then I get the feedback, like was it good, wasn't it good –

H: Oh that's nice isn't it?

A: So it's great. Also he comes back every weekend to eat now, it's another way to kind of keep in touch with your kids.

H: Not just washing then, he comes back to eat as well! So you started him off young, you've got three children haven't you?

A: What I do with my kids, I've got three kids, I used to give them a recipe and a particular day of the week, say Wednesday was Lara's recipe and Thursday was his and – Friday was my other daughter's recipe, and they would perfect that recipe, because on a Wednesday they would make it, and every Wednesday that month they would make it, so they made it four times.

H: Right.

A: So by the last Wednesday of the month it was absolutely perfect.

H: Yes.

A: And that kind of, that became their recipe, like Nicholas's cottage pie –

H: Yes that's –

A: And that's a really good thing to do, teach them one particular recipe and they perfect that four times, then you move onto the next one the next month. So they've learnt 12 recipes.

H: That's a really good idea isn't it? And it's not just for girls is it, boys obviously getting involved as well?

A: Yes. It's become quite trendy to cook now.

H: Oh it has, absolutely, lot of cooking programs on the telly.

A: Well it's like the hairy bikers, it's quite macho now.

H: That's right.

A: Yes it's great.

H: And how young can you start your children? I know there's even sort of cooking programs for little kids now, Big Cook Little Cook's on isn't it?

A: Yes.

H: How young should you start them in the kitchen?

A: Well I think surprisingly young. I think at the age of 2 ½ – you have a child 2 ½ don't you?

H: Yes that's right.

A: And you were just saying you make scrambled eggs with your child.

H: Yes.

A: Well you know stirring things, rolling out dough, using you know novelty-shaped cookie cutters to cut out lovely cookies – that is fantastic. You know kids as young as 2 ½ can do that.

H: Yes.

A: You always think, you know, you see these young kids and they've got the most complicated computer games and they're perfectly able to do that, if you ask them to cook something –

H: Well quite.

A: They haven't got a clue.

H: Yes.

A: So it's quite easy.

H: They're quite capable. And what do you do about sort of safety, because I know that we're so safety conscious these days, health and safety's in everything isn't it? How do you sort of keep your kids safe in the kitchen? You've got to supervise them haven't you?

A: Yes. Supervising them but also it's teaching them things like an electric hob is still hot when it's off.

H: Yes.

A: Steam from a kettle is hot. When you get something out the oven you should use oven gloves. But I'm a great one in actually letting them do it and not saying no no no don't do that it's dangerous, because otherwise they'll just experiment one day and do it by themselves.

H: Yes.

A: They'll use a sharp knife and they won't know how to use it. Better you teach them to use sharp knives.

H: Yes.

A: And you let them – under supervision – use them than say oh no wait until you're older.

H: Yes. And what about the mess though, because I know that we like tidy houses these days don't we? And a lot of us have got nice white shiny kitchens.

A: Yes.

H: What do you do with all those chocolate finger prints?

A: I think you just draw a deep breath and just let it all happen, and at the end of the time you just clear it all up, and don't expect to get any help from your kids! I'm afraid I can't give any advice on that because my kids are just as bad as every other child is.

H: So tidying up time then doesn't really happen in your household?

A: No not really!

H: Well it's worth a go, get them to do the washing-up as well. I'm sure they'll be eating them won't they?

A: Yes the thing is eventually you'll get your child to be a wonderful cook, and maybe one day they'll cook for you. So that's the benefit of it.

H: Yes. And we've got lots of healthy things on the table here because we can get them baking, we can get them baking cakes and biscuits.

A: Yes.

H: But it's not just all about sugar and chocolate and what have you, you can get them to put some healthy things in there as well can't you?

A: Yes I mean I get my children to make enchiladas, they love doing that and they roll them up and put a cheese and tomato on top and we put things like chicken inside them. And we do a very nice one which is sautéed red onion and sweet peppers with a salsa –

H: Very sophisticated, lovely.

A: And it's lovely. So yes proper food they can make. But of course you kind of, you start with baking. Baking is such fun for kids.

H: Yes.

A: And of course one of the recipes you start with is rice crispy cakes, you know that's great, so I do things like you melt maybe – I like to use dark chocolate with an orange flavour to it. You add golden syrup and butter, ok, and then you melt that all together and then you have some Rice Krispies in a bowl, and sometimes I add some oats to that.

H: Oh that's a good tip.

A: And then you can either put it into a baking tin and push it down with a potato masher and cut it into squares, or you can make it into a round ball and make balls of sort of chocolate Rice Krispies. Now as it's Christmas time what you can do which is quite fun, you can make mini Christmas puddings, so you've got your –

H: Oh that's a good idea.

A: Your little chocolate rice crispy ball and then you can make some white icing with some icing sugar and a little bit of water, and then you can cut out holly leaves from some rolled green icing, you've got these little cutters, and you can put them on top of the rice crispy balls. It's quite fun that.

H: And they'll last quite a long time as well in the fridge or in a tin won't they?

A: Well they won't last that long because nothing lasts in my house! I say that I sleep 3 children but I feed 10 because they all come to my house.

H:Where does it all go?

A: But I actually make cooking kits myself and I have a Christmas cooking kit out which has lots of things in it like –

H: Cutters and –

A: How to make stained glass window cookies. Now that's another fun thing to do.

H: Yes.

A: So you have a really simple cookie dough which the children can make, and then what they do is they roll it out which they absolutely love, and then I've got these cookie cutters, they're like reindeers and –

H: Oh lovely.

A: Christmas trees and things like that, and then the clever thing is, you cut out your shape, you put it onto a baking tray, you cut a hole in the middle of the cookie, and you crush boiled sweets and you put the crushed boiled sweets into the hole in the cookie, and when it bakes all those boiled sweets melt –

H: What a good idea!

A: And it becomes a stained glass window in the middle of the cookie.

H: That's fantastic.

A: And then you can make a hole in the top using a straw and you can hang it on your Christmas tree.

H: How lovely.

A: That's such a nice thing to do.

H: I'm going to have a go at that, that sounds brilliant doesn't it? But Annabel, the reason she knows so much about baking for children is not only is she a food guru, but she's also involved in the Big Bake with Kellogg's. Tell us a little bit about that Annabel?

A: Well the idea is, it's a competition, and if you come up with a fab recipe with – using Kellogg's, any of the Kellogg's cereals.

H: Right.

A: And you send the picture in of your recipe and I think yourself, into the site which is the bigbake.co.uk, you can be the star of the next Kellogg's cereal advert, which is fantastic.

H: Oh wow.

A: So you'll be on telly, which is fabulous. I'm one of the judges and there's loads of recipes on the site at the moment, including one that I've put there which is really nice, I'll tell you about this one – it's peanut butter bears.

H: I love peanut butter! They sound lovely.

A: I love peanut butter too. Now it's delicious but it also looks fun. What I do is I melt peanut butter with a little bit of butter, and then I put some Rice Krispies in a bowl, add a bit of icing sugar and some sesame seeds.

H: Right.

A: And then I stir the peanut butter into that, and then I mould it into little round sort of flat sort of patties and then I decorate it to look like teddy bears. So I give them chocolate buttons for their ears. A little kind of nose made out of a candy, and then I make little eyes and I decorate it with like black writing icing, which you can buy in the supermarket.

H: Yes yes I know.

A: So they're like teddy bear faces.

H: Oh how lovely!

A: But my kids like them so much, they just like to make them for themselves and just roll them into balls, and they just love to eat it.

H: And just scoff it straight –

A: And they're teenagers now.

H: Yes that's lovely. Well it's kind of home comforts isn't it, that sounds like a really nice recipe.

A: Well I think when you get kids cooking it's really important that what they make actually tastes good.

H: Exactly yes.

A: It's very important to me. And that's actually a recipe from one of my books, it's called the Mummy and Me cookbook.

H: Oh right.

A: It's one of the recipes from there. And there's also a video of it which is on my site – I think it's on the Big Bake site as well, so I have a site called annabelkarmel.co.uk and there's loads of rice crispy recipes on there and loads of other recipes for kids to cook as well.

H: But the Big Bake site's good actually because it's got lots of pictures on of what it's supposed to look like.

A: Yes.

H: Some of these are behind me here actually.

A: Yes.

H: And at the end of the day even if it goes a bit wrong and it goes a bit squishy in the oven, you just sling a bit of decoration on it and it's fine isn't it? And they all have fun doing that as well won't they, the decoration?

A: I don't think you can expect it to be perfect, especially as the children are little,

H: Exactly.

A: But the whole point is they experiment and they have fun –

H: Oh look at that, that's great isn't it?

A: What you want them to do is you want them to choose a recipe that's easy enough for them to do it themselves.

H: Yes exactly.

A: You don't want to be saying to them oh I'll do that and I'll do this.

H: No it doesn't have to be perfect, you don't want to be hovering over them all the time do you?

A: No. And also you want to be choosing a recipe that doesn't take too long from start to finish.

H: Right, that's a good tip.

A: Because you know kids attention spans are not that long.

H: Yes. And if it all goes wrong then you can eat it at the end anyway so! Well let's move on to some of your questions actually because we've got quite a few coming in. There's one in from John, he says "I've got a 3 year old and a 7 year old, so obviously there is a difference in what both can do in the kitchen. My husband thinks both of them are too young to be in the kitchen and he's scared of knives and boiling water. Is he being over-protective?"

A: I understand that people are concerned that their child might have an accident in the kitchen and it does happen, but then you have to think about there are no wires they can trip over and if they're standing on a chair because they can't get up to the work surfaces, it's very stable, and there's always someone supervising them. But I think at 3 you're perfectly able to do many things.

H: Yes.

A: You know whether it's stirring or rolling out dough as I said, or making scrambled eggs, and get them cooking, yes it's really important. If you have a 3 year old and a 7 year old I would say a great recipe is to do is maybe you make your own pizzas.

H: Oh right yes.

A: So it's great fun, they can make their own dough if they like, the only trouble with that is it takes like 45 minutes to rise.

H: Yes.

A: So what I prefer to do is I take something like an English muffin, which is split.

H: Oh yes that's a good idea, yes.

A: And you toast it, and you use that as the base of your pizza, and then the children can just slap on some tomato sauce. I actually make my own tomato sauce, the kids can make their own. Either a hidden vegetable tomato sauce where you blend it with lots of vegetables so it's really good for you.

H: Yes.

A: Or you can make a cherry tomato sauce where you roast cherry tomatoes in the oven, put it together with passata and sautéed onions, really nice. Os you spread that on top of your pizza base and then you add some grated cheese and you put it under the grill. But what the kids can do they can then decorate it like faces with lots of other bits of vegetables. So whether they're 3 or they're 7 or they're 15 –

H: They can have fun with that.

A: They can still have fun.

H: Can't they?

A: What I used to do with my kids which is great, we used to have birthday parties, but cooking birthday parties.

H: Oh lovely! Sounds a bit messy!

A: It's messy. What you do is you get some of your friends to come over and help you, it's really important.

H: Oh yes, that's a good idea!

A: And you decide with your child whose having the birthday what recipes they want to make, and then you divide the ingredients beforehand so they can work in pairs together. And then they make things like cheesy feet which is pastry cut into the shape of feet with cheese on top. These pizzas with faces or they can make like rice crispy bakes, and they can make milkshakes, and they can even make their own birthday cake by putting things together to make a train. I've never seen children so concentrated like for two hours –

H: Yes.

A: You get the best pictures, they're smeared in chocolate, having a really good time.

H: How lovely, and then it's a real memorable birthday party isn't it. On that note actually –

A: Fantastic!

H: We've got a question in from Steph from Hythe, she says "It's my daughter Holly's 4th birthday next week." Happy birthday Holly, we hope you have a fantastic day. "What ideas do you have for party food?" We sort of touched on that a little bit. Party food for a four year old that maybe they can get involved with cooking?

A: My most successful party food ever is my jelly boats.

H: Right.

A: You take an orange and you cut it in half, and you scoop out the inside which leaves you with a hollow orange, but be careful not to make a hole in it

H: Right

A: Then you mix up some jelly but you don't add as much water as you would normally because you need it to be a bit more –

H: Firm.

A: Firm.

H: Yes.

A: Then you pour the jelly into the halved orange, and then what I do is I actually put them into a muffin tray because it keeps them nice and stable.

H: Oh that's a good idea.

A: And put them in the fridge to set.

H: Like a bun tray?

A: A bun tray, whatever you have.

H: Yes.

A: Then they set so what you have is your half orange with your set jelly. Then you cut it in half again so you have this wonderful wedge of jelly and everyone says well how did you do that? It's actually not that difficult.

H: No but just tell them it was very hard!

A: Then you take rice paper, and you cut it into a triangle, and you take a cocktail stick and you put it into the jelly so it looks like a boat. And they're called jelly boats.

H: Yes. That's brilliant.

A: Kids absolutely love them and you can use different coloured jellies, red, orange, green coloured jelly and you serve it on like a blue plate like it's on the sea.

H: Yes.

A: Fantastic.

H: So you could do like a themed pirate party or something couldn't you?

A: I love doing themes.

H: Or a mermaid party for Holly.

A: Princess party.

H: Yes exactly.

A: So that's a really fun thing to do and it's not difficult.

H: Yes.

A: You can get your child helping you with like pouring the jelly into the oranges and things like that.

H: And it's not that expensive either is it these days with the credit crunch –

A: It's cheap.

H: That's quite a cheap one to do isn't it?

A: You can make your own jelly as well using leaf gelatine and something like cranberry juice.

H: Oh that's a good idea.

A: If you want to have a more healthy jelly.

H: Yes, oh lovely. Let's move on to some more of your questions, we've had lots coming in. We've had one from Agna Patel and she says "my kids get very bored quickly in the kitchen. How can I keep them entertained?" I guess do a quick recipe like you said?

A: Yes well it's something that doesn't take too long from start to finish. I'd do something which is healthy which is great, I take gem lettuce leaves.

H: Right.

A: Which are already in a boat shape.

H: Yes.

A: And then I give the children various things to use as a filling, so we do things like mayonnaise with a little bit of plum sauce in it, and some shredded chicken and some beansprouts. It's kind of – and then you eat it in the lettuce leaf, you put it inside the lettuce leaf, hold it in your mouth and you eat it. It's really healthy but the children love mixing all these things together. And that will take just a few minutes to put together.

H: That sounds delicious actually and a lot of –

A: They're really nice.

H: Yes well they're good for adults as well as the children aren't they?

A: Yes.

H: And so it's not just getting the girls on board, what about dads, can they get involved as well do you think? Dads are getting a bit more involved in the kitchen these days.

A: Absolutely. Yes I see a lot of dads actually now doing most of the cooking than the mums. Many things, let me see, I do a wonderful lemon cheesecake in one of my books. It's really simple, it's got Greek yoghurt, I think it's got some mascarpone and it's got some lemon curd and lemon juice, and the base is crushed digestive biscuits, and you put it into a ring mould.

H: Right.

A: So it – when you take it off it just stays as this wonderful circle of a mini lemon cheesecake and then I put some blueberries on top and I put some sifted icing sugar. And again it's so quick and so easy to make.

H: And that's really delicious, that would do for a dinner party in my house.

A: Well I have this cookery book, it's called the Mummy and Me cookbook and it's for 4 year olds, but I think it's for 4 year olds and middle aged men! Because it's like the same sort of level of expertise in the kitchen to be honest!

H: So what sort of store cupboard essentials should you have then, because when I was growing up my mum always had golden syrup and those kinds of things –

A: I love golden syrup.

H: I mean what sort of things should you be thinking about just keeping in your cupboard for a rainy day? Because when the weather's not that nice it's quite nice on a rainy Sunday to do some cooking with the kids.

A: Yes.

H: What sorts of things should you have?

A: Well if you've got butter, golden syrup, some white chocolate, some dark chocolate, some Rice Krispies and some oats, there's just loads of things you can make with that.

H: Yes.

A: Whether it's a tray bake, whether you make it into a circle, whether you make it into a face, that's really versatile. I also like children to make proper foods, so maybe making a tomato sauce, so you need some chopped tomatoes, some spaghetti, some onion, some garlic, some oil, maybe some balsamic vinegar to flavour it with. And I love to make you know proper food like spaghetti sauces, that's good to make.

H: Yes. And what's your absolute favourite real treat food? Because we bang on don't we about healthy stuff all the time, we're trying to get our kids to eat fruit and vegetables, but sometimes it is nice to have a total treat isn't it –

A: Ok.

H: And just think sugar overload, don't worry about it, what's your favourite would you say?

A:I think this chocolate fridge cake that's actually on my website, and it's really simple to make. You take digestive biscuits and you just crunch them up so they're like in pieces, and then you take dark chocolate and milk chocolate together, I like the mixture of the two, and some golden syrup and some butter, and you melt it all together.

H: And kids can get involved in that as well can't they?

A: Yes they can do everything, you do it on top of a double boiler, so you put it into a Pyrex dish.

H: Right.

A: And you put it over a saucepan with simmering water, so it's really easy. Or you can put it in the microwave if you want to melt it that way.

H: Yes that might be a bit more safer for the kids.

A: Yes but it's fun because then you can stir it, in a microwave you can't.

H: Yes that's true, yes.

A: You want to be hands on ok?

H: Yes.

A: Then you take your broken up digestive biscuits and you put them together with some Rice Krispies and some chopped dried apricots and some raisins, and if it's Christmas time you can use cranberries instead.

H: Yes. That's a nice idea.

A: And you pour that in, then you line a square baking tray and you push it all in and by pushing down with a potato masher.

H: I'd never thought of using a potato masher –

A: It's fantastic for that, better than a spoon.

H: I always thought – It's such a good idea – I would be banging about with a wooden spoon and – a potato masher is just so obvious.

A: And again kids love to do that.

H: I'll have to come to Annabel for these top tips!

A: Stick it in the fridge, couple of hours later you can cut it into squares – it's absolutely, absolutely delicious and it's so easy and no baking. No oven needed.

H: Just a few calories but never mind about that hey?

A: Loads of calories.

H: It's got fruit in it so we're not worried are we?

A: Yes. It's really nice. I think actually you know how you normally do a chocolate fridge cake, you normally just use biscuits? I like to use Rice Krispies because it kind of lightens the whole thing up.

H: Right, yes.

A: Doesn't make it quite so heavy.

H: So chewy kind of thing?

A: Yes. It has a really nice light texture, it's a really, really nice recipe. It's on my website, annabelkarmel.com

H: Right.

A: If anyone wants to do it, because I haven't given you the exact measurements but it is a great one to do with your kids.

H: And how did you first start sort of getting involved with cooking for children, because you have written so many books, I mean I know a lot of you out there who have got babies will have Annabel's books because they're all about weaning and how to get your kids interested in food. I mean did you have fussy eaters, I mean how did you get involved?

A: I lost my first child, it was terrible and she died when she was 13 weeks old, and my second child, when he was born he was a terrible eater and I think I kind of – having a child die and then a child who wouldn't eat, you feel very vulnerable.

H: That's right.

A: and I really wanted him to eat well.

H: Yes. Because that's the one thing as a mum you really want them to eat don't you?

A: Yes. Well I just started to make up recipes for Nicholas and I was giving them out to all my girlfriends, I was running a playgroup at the time and they'd say "oh my God these are really good, I got my child to eat, my child wouldn't eat anything before" and they said to me why don't you write a book about feeding children? And I spent 2 ½ years researching nutrition, and making up all the recipes for a book, and then I wrote this book called the Complete Baby and Toddler Meal Planner which is probably what you've used.

H: Yes that's right.

A: And this book has sold 3 million copies now. It's like THE book on feeding babies, and it's a lovely book because I tested every single recipe out on 20 babies.

H: Yes.

A: And when I wrote the book everyone said babies only like bland food.

H: Not true.

A: But in fact when I tested it out on the kids they liked things that taste just like we do, why shouldn't babies like tasty food? So it kind of blew away all the misconceptions. And I had like weird combinations like mashed banana and avocado. That was great because it's an instant food, very easy to make and they loved it.

H: That's right, yes. And lots of vitamins as well.

A: And I also think that what people don't realise is that babies need calories, so just giving them low calorie foods like carrot puree and apple puree isn't enough. The thing about banana and avocado is they've got more calories in them and lots of nutrients.

H: That's right, carbohydrate lets them sleep longer at night which is what we like.

A: In theory. I'm not so sure.

H: It might work! But getting back to the Big Bake actually, we've just got a couple more questions in, we're nearly out of time, one from Emma which we've sort of covered but we'll go through it again – "how can I make sure my kitchen is safe so my kids can get involved in cooking without me worrying about them?" So just top tips really on safety in the kitchen.

A: Well I think not cross-contamination so if you're going to use chopping boards make sure that they're clearly labelled, one is for raw meats and fish and meat and the other one is for fruit and vegetables.

H: Right.

A: Wash your hands in between handling things like raw chicken. That's really important and make sure your children do as well.

H: Yes.

A: Don't let them lick the bowl if something's been made with raw eggs.

H: Yes.

A: That's not safe.

H: Yes well it seems obvious but at the time, you know, you might not think about things like that.

A: And also that they understand some things are hot like a kettle, when it's just boiled is still hot, even though it's turned off, and as I said the electric hob is still hot. The oven door may be hot. Just – and you know the handles of the saucepans, make sure they're turned in and they don't stick out so the child can brush against it and the whole thing comes pouring down on them.

H: Yes.

A: Just be watchful.

H: Just be a little bit prepared –

A: Yes.

H: Think about going to the kitchen –

A: Yes don't wrap them up in cotton wool, you know let them do things.

H: Exactly yes.

A: Because if they don't do things they'll never learn. Let them grate things with a grater and understand that you don't grate your fingers at the same time, it's just cheese.

H: Exactly.

A: And when they're chopping things teach them about using knives and say you know make sure your finger is away from the knife when you're chopping it. To hold the blade down and never put the blade up in a dishwasher, and don't put it in the sink where there's other things in there. If you don't tell them this they're not going to know it.

H: They'll learn by experience which is not really what we want.

A: Yes and if you don't tell them how to use sharp knives, one day as I said they're going to experiment themselves, it's going to be much worse than if they've actually used them with you.

H: Yes exactly. Time for one last question, Anna B Smith says "what age should I start getting my children involved in cooking? I have a 3 year old and an 18 month old." !8 months, is that a little bit young?

A: Unless they're very advanced maybe it's a little bit too young. 2 ½ I think is a good age to start.

H: Okey dokey.

A: But they can stir actually, they can do things. They can shell peas. They can cut out cookies. Actually having said that there are things they can do.

H: And they can eat it all at the end which is a good thing.

A: Absolutely – that's the fun bit isn't it? That's what we all want to do.

H: Ok Annabel well look thanks very much for coming in, it's been really interesting.

A: Really nice.

H: To talk to you. And please get involved with the Big Bake, especially with Christmas coming up there's no excuse really is there? And get your kids to take a photograph of it and send it in to Kellogg's. You never know you might end up starring in the advert. The closing date is the end of December. And remember if you don't win you can always eat what you've made so everyone's a winner really aren't they? Well thanks very much for joining us, if you want more information you can go to the website which is www.thebigbake.co.uk. Happy cooking, see you next time, bye bye.

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