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We've all got one!! Whether it's the one with the stripes down the middle and the number 53 on the side, the blacked out windows and huge wheels with a million gadgets inside and always coming to the rescue, or a classic three wheeler made famous by del boy and the boy wonder, or for that matter the Batmobile itself. What are we talking about? Iconic screen cars.
Can you remember when Kitt and Knight Rider hit the telly and suddenly blacked out windows took off in popularity? Why do on screen cars suddenly influence our own taste in automobiles? Are we more pimp my ride than the fluffy dice brigade? Is it acceptable to drive a Batmobile, or Herbie and can blacked out windows really make us feel more like David Hasselhoff? The latest screen car star from the BirdsEye TV adverts is a bright green machine in the shape of a pea! Not necessarily ideal for cruising down the high street but certainly unique!
We were joined by car enthusiast Quentin Willson for a streamed webchat to find out how iconic cars have influenced our modern day car tastes. Quentin Wilson joined us live online on Tuesday 25th October.
Host: Janice Vee (JV)
Guest: Quentin Willson (QW)
JV: Hi everyone, and thanks for joining us today for our live webchat. I'm Janice, and this afternoon we're talking about iconic cars. Now we all love our cars: they're practical, they're functional, they get us from A to B, but apparently, 20% of us would want to customise our cars to look like something else, preferably something that we've seen on TV or the big screen. Now the latest star car to adorn on our TV screens is the Birdseye Pea Car. It's lovely, it's adorable and we all want one, and we're gonna show a clip of it in case you haven't seen it, where have you been? But before we do that, we have in the studio with us car enthusiast Quentin Wilson
JV: I think they should make actually die cast models of that ad. In the studio I have with me car enthusiast Quentin Wilson who is here to talk about the pea car ad that we've just seen and other iconic cars that we've loved over the years. Now first of all Quentin before we take questions about iconic cars, what do you think about the pea car ad that we've just seen?
QW: Well it's great. It's cute, it's cuddly. It's got a little face, it's got a little personality. And I think, if we had a car park of ten thousand of those things we'd sell every single one but next Tuesday. I mean it's caught the imagination all over the Internet and it's this week's hot car, believe it or not.
JV: Yes, it's the star car of the moment [absolutely]. Now apparently Birdseye did some research, Birdseye who did the Pea car ad, have done some research into our wacky iconic cars that we love, interestingly, what do you think was the number one car that people loved?
QW: Probably, and it's a bit predictable, but probably Herbie.
JV: Right, yes you're right actually now that's a surprise, I thought it would have been Del Boy's 3 wheeler.
QW: But there you see, you see Del Boy's 3 wheeler is sort of anti comedy it's heroic failure isn't it? Yes, you watch it and you smile indulgently but there's no way in the world you ever want to go out and buy one.
JV: But that's why we love it, and that's why we love the little Pea Car as well
QW: But you could see yourself actually driving that because it would be really cool and people would say hi, whereas with the 3 wheeler people would point and laugh. There's a line of demarcation between what's cute on screen and what's desirable and you would actually want to own.
JV: Yeah now because you're in the studio of course we've got loads of generic questions about cars and so we're gonna ask those later on in the webchat but first of all we're going to ask about cars. Now Malcolm has sent in a question, he wants to know what is your favourite iconic car?
QW: Ok Malcolm, now that's an easy one, if we're talking about iconic cars that have been sort of catapulted to fame through movie work it would be the Ford Mustang from that wonderful opening sequence of Bullet where you get 9 minutes of pure, unadulterated, automated pornography with no dialogue whatsoever just screeching of tyres and wailing of engines, it's great and a highland green mustang 67 perfect, absolutely. Lots of street cred. It's a cool car.
JV: Oh that's so predictable
QW: No. It's true. Name me another one? Not Herbie, I tell you.
JV: Well the De Lorean in 'Back to the Future'
QW: Well the De Lorean is a crock of junk
JV: No! Don't say that, I'm not listening!
QW: Take it from me. It is just a pile of poo.
JV: No. I just don't know. It's got hydrogen in it. It's very eco friendly.
QW: No, it's not. This is a movie car. The De Lorean in it's original form was an underpowered, underdeveloped, asthmatic car.
JV: Oh well, we will agree to disagree. George wants to know do you think that iconic cars actually influence the cars we decide to buy for ourselves? And if so, which ones?
QW: Yeah, I mean if you look at all those Mini Coopers out there, that has been driven purely by the Italian job and the fact that we have them with Union Jacks on the roof and spotlights on the front and white wheels and things like that means that you know, that that film has made the Mini have much more sex appeal, much more desirability and much more attitude than its designers could have possibly imagined. So yeah, they do big time.
JV: Now Brendon has sent in a question, he's always dreamed of having a car like Kit from Knight Rider. You didn't want hair like David Hasselhoff as well, did you Brendon? Now is there something out there that looks similar?
QW: You do need to get out more. There is nothing really that is gonna push all those buttons for you. Look I'm sorry to disappoint you, sorry to disabuse you of this but it was only a pretend car. It couldn't drive itself and it couldn't really talk to you. So buy an old Chevrolet Camaro of the period, spray it black, tint the windows and you've got it.
JV: But didn't the Kit car kind of spawn a lot of us having blacked out windows because we wanted a car like Kit?
QW: Well Kit hasn't really done that, it's been America and all the 'bling bling' and all the rap and that's had a huge, huge effect. If you look at things like 'Pimp My Ride' on MTV, Max Power, the vogue for big American trucks, this has come from the Atlantic, from places like New York and Los Angeles where these big rap stars drive around in these SUVs with these dark windows, big chrome wheels and all this flamboyant design and it really has caught our imagination. Even the big car manufacturers are looking to America, are looking to the world of rap, for their styling cues.
JV: You see that's why I love the Pea car 'cause it is quintessentially English.
QW: It is. Who but the English would make a car in the shape of a pea? But, Outspan did a car in the shape of a little Mini to advertise Outspan oranges in the 70s.
JV: Now Sean has sent in a question. What is your favourite piece of kit or feature on an iconic car, a specific piece?
QW: The favourite piece of an iconic car on TV or in film would have to be the V8 engine just because of the noise, the power, and that lovely bass grumble a noise like the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
JV: And you don't think the gull wings on the De Lorean? They didn't do it for you did it?
QW: No, because look, those doors actually locked you in. They were too heavy, the struts wouldn't work. I know an awful lot about this.
JV: But it makes so much sense to have doors that go up rather than out.
QW: The guy who made the De Lorean went bankrupt and cost taxpayers £80 million. And when he sat inside it on the launch in America, the doors locked and it was very, very embarrassing and he was in there for 25 minutes. You sooo don't want a De Lorean. Trust me.
JV: Damn it. Damn you. Now Charlie has sent you a question saying can we blame ' The Fast and The Furious for spoiling the good Supra name or did it just go downhill anyway as soon as the hideous MK5 was released?
QW: I think really Charlie, the Supra was on a high road to nothing anyway we should call them the white whale, do you remember the white ones with the colour coded bumpers? It became a pretty sad car and it wasn't bought by young people it was bought by pot bellied American business men who bought the Supra and for a brief moment in time, yeah it was serious car with serious cred but then it just got fatter and bigger and heavier with all those spoilers and it just looked faintly cartoonish and don't forget, it is a Toyota. What do you drive? A Toyota? Hmm.. how interesting
JV: What do you drive?
QW: What do I drive? Ok, I've got more than one but then I'm supposed to aren't I, because I know about cars. Everyday car is a Mercedes S55 AMG, which is a big S class Mercedes with an engine the size of California under the bonnet. It used to belong to Robbie Williams so it's got dark windows and big black wheels. A Range Rover and then an old Rolls Royce convertible from the 70s and then an old E type Jag. No, don't envy me. I have to tax them. I have to insure them. I have to fill them up with petrol!
JV: It's terrible. What a hard life. Now, we'd like some girls to send in some questions. Come on, yes, more females please. Now Stephen wants to know, what was it about Herbie that made it so popular?
QW: Herbie I think, is one of those cars that's non-threatening. I think all the most successful cars in the whole world have faces, if you look at the Volkswagen beetle, you know the little eyes and the smile and it's a car that doesn't cause offence. It's just a rerun of the film that reminds us of the way we were, it's very retrospective and the fact that in no way would you ever feel threatened or intimidated or just in your face with the Volkswagen beetle, they are just sweet and cuddly and homely.
JV: They're like the golden labradors of the car world. Now I've been doing a bit of research, and I have been doing a bit of work because I knew you were coming in and apparently there was an American customiser called George Barris who actually customised the Herbie and the Munsters' car and the Monkee- mobile and the Grease Lightning. He's a big icon. So, I just wanted to know was there anyone who was in this country who was like him? Is there anyone who is customising cars like he is?
QW: Not to such an extent and I mean you know, there are things you can do in California which you can't do here but Barris is a great bloke, I suppose the nearest you would have here are 2 blokes. One's Gordon Murray who is the designer of the McLaren F1, which does 241 miles an hour, just the best car in the world full stop. Then there's Peter Stevens who is an extremely clever car designer who thinks outside the box but Barris is a one off. He was doing it in the 40s and 50s with all these Hollywood stars who'd come with bucketloads of cash and just say give me a unique car [I want the grease lightening car] absolutely and Barris, I mean he bought the wreck of James Dean's car, the Porsche 550 spider, for $1,500 and that car now would be worth about 5 million bucks.
JV: And he did the Batmobile as well. Didn't that sell at Christie's for something ridiculous?
QW: Yes in fact, Barris' private collection of cars is probably worth something like £100 million
JV: And which one of his cars would you want to have?
QW: Well I think he's just sold it, it was a Ferrari, a 1967 Ferrari, which was driven by Clint Eastwood in one of the films but he's got lots, a fantastic collection.
JV: Yes he does, I saw the website actually, really interesting. Rob wants to know how about the MK1 Golf GTI? How iconic do you think it is?
QW: Rob I don't know what you're expecting me to say, but here it is. It is a fantastic little car. I had about half a dozen MK1 and MK2 GTIs and I remember them with enormous fondness. The 1800s with the sunroof and the five-speed gearbox and the 1600 with the little wheels, great car. The original undisputed king of hot hatches! Only now are we getting a GTI, a Volkswagen GTI that's worthy of that original title so you're on the money mate, it's a top, top car. Loads of street cred and just easy to own, reliable all those things but cool as well.
JV: And apparently Rob owns 3 of them. Now Brian says, as a child I almost cried when the E-types were bull dozed in 'The Italian Job', do you feel that that was a crime far greater than that in the plot of the film?
QW: Ok Brian, great film – and you're talking to a man who does own a 1961 E-type. Don't worry because both of those cars survived. The red one and it really worries me that I possess this information, 848 CRY, which is Robin Sturgess' old E-type which was raced with the registration on BBC2. That is alive and well, I've driven it. It's completely restored and I think it's about Chassis number 7. It didn't go off the cliff, and the other one, which was a dark blue E-type, that survived as well, had a new roof put on it and I think it's in America. Even the Aston Martin, the silver Aston Martin - that didn't go over the cliff. That survived. They threw an old Lancier off, but the best bit was where the Italian man, the mafia man with the JCB looks at the Aston Martin and says 'pretty car' CRASH! So they all survived so, you know, don't lose any sleep.
JV: Well he seemed pretty upset. Now Rob has sent in a question. Come on girls please send in your questions it's all blokes sending in questions today. Rob wants to know, the Pea car looks like it's been made up of Beetle parts, the grill and headlights are the same. Now I know that you know the answer to this, what is it made up of?
QW: Now look Rob, it's made from, mainly, a VW Camper, the bay camper. That's where the lights and the front air intake and I think a bit of the front screen and bumper come from. More than that, I don't know. We need to find out because this is such an object of desire and it's so hot that really, you know, really, I need to be in charge of the information. They say it's not very fast, it only does about 4 or 5 miles an hour and there's only one. It is just incredible how that little car, you know the half formed thought of an advertising executive has suddenly become this week's number one automotive discussion point. So when you say do ads and this sort of thing influence us when it comes to cars, I rest my case, of course they do.
JV: You see I wonder if the ad will take off as well in somewhere like America, where they're into their big hummers you know and everything is big and grand, everything is Cadillac or souped up?
QW: I think we know the answer to that they're just gonna look at that and go 'those Brits.' They're just crazy. So I don't think so but I mean it is, as you said earlier, quintessentially English to make a car from a pea.
JV: Now Paul's got a good question for you. Has there been any car that doesn't deserve iconic status?
QW: Yes, the De Lorean. I keep telling you. It's rubbish ok. Well it's time you were told the truth. Look I'll have the De Lorean owners club sticking more pins in me than a waxwork effigy but honestly it was one of the worst cars ever made, honestly. It was rubbish, Janice and you know it.
JV: But what about Lady Penelope's pink Rolls Royce? Don't you think that looked a bit goofy?
QW: As goofy as any pink Rolls Royce could look. I mean the remake of Thunderbirds, as much as the film was pants, they really moved the car on and really made it sexy and made it fly and go under water as a submarine and that's the vision of the future really. Like that's what one day, cars will do. In fact NASA put out an offer of one million pounds for anyone who can come up with a design of a flying car that works. Someone probably needs to tell NASA that the design is worth more than a million pounds.
JV: Do you think there are any iconic cars that women are really into? Apart from Lady Penelope's?
QW: Mini Coopers, they're into them big time. I happen to know Janice you drive a SMART car, which is very popular and deservedly so. Ford Mustang convertible? Thunderbird out of Thelma and Louise? Beetles? The list stretches all the way down the M40. BMW Z3's - girls car, the Audi TT, girls car, the Mercedes SLK, girls car. The little Honda S sports car, the Porsche boxster – all girls cars!
JV: Well Paul now says in a question, very timely is there a particular car you wouldn't be seen dead in?
QW: Yes loads, Vauxhall Tigra, Vauxhall Astra, Vauxhall Fonterra, Vauxhall Vectra, anything with a Vauxhall badge on the front [what about the sporty Vauxhall] oh the VX 220? I can think of more interesting ways to drive about. Umm most Rovers.
JV: What about an iconic car that you wouldn't be seen dead in?
QW: The De Lorean, but I'll stop getting back to that. The Beetle, Chitty chitty bang bang, most of them actually. You know, if truth be told, The Dodge Charger, the Dukes of Hazzard, you know, horrible, rough riding, uncomfortable cars.
JV: And what about the Gran Torino, Starsky and Hutch?
QW: Oh come on! You'll have me wearing a cardigan next! The Torino was a piece of junk when it was done up I mean painting it red, jacking up the edge with a white stripe down the side.
JV: Well exactly, it had a white stripe down the side, it did it for me. Anyway Quentin we're going to move on now to general questions. Here's a good one. This one is from Dave, and he wants to know out of all the performance and sports cars that you have test driven, which one most stands out in your memory?
QW: Here we go Dave. 2 cars, and mainly because they scared the crap out of me. The first was a McLaren F1 and I tried to get it up to 200 miles an hour on an airfield. It could do up to 241 but you need a really long road to do that. Time and time again, we went down this airfield runway, 170, 180, 185, 190 and just couldn't get it to the maximum and it's terrifying because raindrops assume the proportion of bullets as they hit your windscreen. If you see a flock of birds, you think if one of those hits the screen at 195 miles an hour I am toast. So really, really scary trying to get it up to that 200 miles an hour and just getting the needle up to 195 and looking up and seeing the grass banking coming up towards you, at a frightening rate. The other one was a car called an AC247 Cobra, so that's the AC Cobra with the 7 litre engine and this always had a reputation as a killer car and I remember picking it up from Hendon in London and bringing it down to Thames Dutton where the AC building was, for a programme and thinking, oh this is fine, what's all the fuss about and then the minute I got too confident, the car just bit me. There was a bit of a gap in the traffic in Thames Dutton High Street and I just mashed the accelerator, 500 horse power, slightly damp road and the car just went woah 360 degrees nearly ended up in a Dixon's shop window, so those are the 2 cars which really made a lasting impression on me.
JV: So what's your favourite sports track in the UK then? I'm sure you've been on all of them
QW: I've written a few cars off at Silverstone, Donington. I think probably Silverstone because it is great. Oh no Goodwood, actually Goodwood is better.
JV: Now JD wants to know something. Hi Quentin, I have just purchased a 1986 Rover SD1 Vitesse, I love it, the noise it makes. Have you ever tried one of these Quentin?
QW: I have indeed, lovely, very fast car, it has the v8, no it's a great car it will repay handsome dividends if it's a good one and you look after it because they are gently coming up in price. I mean Rover is not associated with classics or with cars that have attitude, but that is one of them, so well bought.
JV: I'm very disappointed actually that no women have typed in questions but anyway…. Darren Dickinson wants to know he owns a classic Mini Cooper, well done, a classic one, we all love the classic one and he's just sold it for a Fiat Panda Sporting do you think the New Panda will be as fun to drive?
QW: I've driven it and no, the Mini was just fantastic, a wheel at each corner, such direct steering, no overhangs, wonderfully packaged. Nothing before or since I think has ever had that feeling of direct contact with the road, that chat that the car gives you through the steering wheel [and we all had one didn't we when we passed our driving test] yes and cars are just too safe now you're protected from every sensation of the road by too many rubber bushes. The Mini was just the unique driving experience
JV: And what do you think of the new mini?
QW: It's great but I think they're going off a bit. I think they're predictable, they're everywhere, they're just very suburban now. Very suburban money and everyone thinks they're desperately trendy but as far as I am concerned the novelty has gone. Where is the next one? Maybe it's the Pea car.
JV: Now Stuart has sent in a question, he's looking at buying a convertible car that will seat 4 people comfortably. Is winter the best time to be buying this type of car and which is the best value for money? He wants to spend about 15 to 18000 on it.
QW: Ok Stuart, that's quite a tough question, the first part of it, is there are seasonal difference now between buying convertibles in summer and winter, the answer's no it's pretty well ever green, all that stuff has gone now. What is a really good 4-seater convertible, there really should be more of them and for your budget. I mean there's the Audi convertible but it's just a bit dull [isn't it a girl's car] well it is it's slightly girly, you can get away with it but I think you're a bit sad if you've got one of those. What else that's 4 seater? I mean the BMW 3 series but again predictable. I mean the Merc SL's they had a token back seat but the latest one with the electric roof, they don't anymore, so it's quite a difficult beast to find a 4 seater. Why don't you go and import a mustang from America? Left hand drive, big 4 seater convertible, big v8 engine and you would probably just about manage to do it for about 19 grand
JV: Have you driven a mustang?
QW: Oh yes.
JV: Question from a girl. Pippa wants to know I have an iconic 1967 mustang and I simply love it good girl!
QW: Pippa, fantastic! Just at the right minute, not only do I choose the right car but it's validated by a female. Women know about this stuff. They know about the harmony, colour, shape form, much better than we blokes do that are choosing things so Pippa, thank you very much. I rest my case.
JV: Now Kevin, we're going to run through these questions very quickly cos we only have a couple of minutes with you Quentin, now Kevin wants to know do you think the DB9 is the best looking car in the world at the moment?
QW: well Kevin that is a really sensible questions and if there was a prize you would win it but there's not, so, tough luck. The DB9 is seriously horny isn't it? I mean it's a pretty old car. My old problem with the DB9 is that I think it's pretty enough to stop a speeding train but it's just not very interesting to drive. A mate came down with one, the other day that he had bought at list so prices are not actually as high as we thought. I thought it just pretty lacklustre. I mean if I wanted a charging convertible I wouldn't buy a DB9 but then I suppose that's not what you buy a DB9 for is it? You buy it because it is as beautiful as a blank cheque.
JV: So would you buy a db9? [No, no I wouldn't no] How much are they going for?
QW: Well they were going for about 130, 140. With list, at about 120 so people are paying premiums over them but they're down so if you want a nice spec one, about 120 grand that's all.
JV: Now Charlie says, what do you think of the old shape BMW 6 series?
QW: It's a cool car, it has that shark nose and listen if you find a decent one with sub 70,000 miles and a full BMW service history, they're worth some money you know 5 or 6 grand. Great, great car you know 635i automatic, get the high line and they had a nice dogleg manual. Very, very pretty car go for it mate.
JV: Stamp of approval there from Quentin. Sorry we're rattling through these, we're trying to get through as many questions as we can. Stuart wants to know do the Americans do iconic cars better than us Brits do?
QW: That's a tough question I mean I think they make iconic films with iconic cars.
JV: We were talking about George Barris. I mean he was responsible for a lot of the iconic cars.
QW: Yeah but I mean some of the best cars in the world, they're not American, they're British. You know, the Bentleys, the Rolls, the Jaguar E-types, the AC Cobras, the Minis. No they don't is the answer. We Brits make iconic cars best of all.
JV: Ok Mike has sent in a question, he says why is the new Mini so much bigger than the classic version? I think it's just the chassis 'cause inside it seems the same size.
QW: It is bigger and it certainly looks bigger on the street. It's simply because there are packaging issues that the other one didn't resolve. It was a clever little car, but these days you need much more space for stuff, you need a reasonable boot whereas the boot on the old Mini was tiny, you need more headroom, you need more leg room, you need more crash protection so it just grew and grew and grew.
JV: Martin I think this might be the last question actually from Martin. He says, when will you be on TV next with cars?
QW: Everyone asks me this and not so long ago the BBC asked me to go back to Top Gear and offered me a quite ludicrous amount of money to do that and I just said no because I don't believe in going back and I'm very happy doing all this 'Britain's Worst' stuff which is selling all the way around the world and it's great. We do need a car show and maybe I am the man to do it and I have been talking to a couple of broadcasters about it so look, watch this space but don't forget we've always got 'Britain's Worst Driver' and 'Britain's Worst Celebrity Driver.'
JV: He is going to be on your TV at any point this year so don't worry. Quentin we've run out of time but thank you so much for joining us and answering all those questions. And thanks to everyone for sending in all those questions. I think that we're actually going to have time to just see that lovely pea car ad just one more time.

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